tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post4094493930102008039..comments2023-06-27T10:33:35.086-04:00Comments on kirbycairo: If I were a Liberal . . . .Kirbycairohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-41636543007731886392012-06-13T17:45:10.293-04:002012-06-13T17:45:10.293-04:00Yes, Anonymous, I agree that a so-called "sta...Yes, Anonymous, I agree that a so-called "star" candidate would be the death-knell of the party. They desperately need to be seen as moving into a new future while at the same time recapturing something of the more "liberal" aspect of their past (ie., before their Chretien/Martin, neo-liberal, low 'corporate-tax' days). Someone like Manley, who became a virtual pawn of the Conservative Party with his report on Afghanistan, would just confirm that the Liberals are no different from the Conservatives, thus would be unable to attract those who have gone to the NDP for economic reasons nor those who went to the Conservative Party because they saw no reason to stay with a party that was a de facto conservative party anyway.Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-21101930888997852882012-06-13T17:24:43.407-04:002012-06-13T17:24:43.407-04:00I actually agree with your analysis, KC. The proof...I actually agree with your analysis, KC. The proof is in the pudding, as they say. Liberals had been most successful when they campaigned left and then governed from the right. Their dismal failure resulted from moving too far right, especially with Iggy, in the mistaken belief that they were going to attract the disillusioned Cons votes.<br /><br />One of the scenarios that Chantal Hebert painted in the Toronto Star today that she claimed would put fear in the Cons ranks is that the Liberals attract a "Star" candidate like John Manley or Mark Carney. I think that either Manley or Carney as leader would guarantee the death of the Liberal party, with more progressive votes going to the NDP while being unable to attract the Cons votes as happened under Iggy. <br /><br />But then Chantal was also the one who predicted in the last election that the NDP was going nowhere in Quebec, and we know how that turned out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-17562720892593577012012-06-13T14:42:55.457-04:002012-06-13T14:42:55.457-04:00I agree that the Liberals have to move to the left...I agree that the Liberals have to move to the left, Kirby. I'm still not sure who can take them there.<br /><br />However, Rae's decision to not run for the leadership makes such a move possible.Owen Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06464860078574618579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-65067408879128792202012-06-13T13:42:45.607-04:002012-06-13T13:42:45.607-04:00Somewhat cryptic comment doconnor - and I am not s...Somewhat cryptic comment doconnor - and I am not sure I really understand what you are implying about the Liberal Party or the NDP.<br /><br />However, I contend that if the Liberals actually moved forward with significant notions of accountability and democracy they would be set apart from the NDP which has not really shown much leadership in this regard. Furthermore, if they abandoned some of their more corporatist ideological inclinations and began to look for actual solutions to corporate excess they could attract many of the voters who have looked toward the NDP in the face the recent economic events. <br /><br />The fact is that the NDP has gone to right for my liking but I was talking about the LPC's effort to carve out a new place to themselves in the electoral "battleground" so to speak.Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-19964671352794735672012-06-13T13:13:55.106-04:002012-06-13T13:13:55.106-04:00If they follow you suggestions they will become an...If they follow you suggestions they will become another version of the NDP.doconnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04941265860606353518noreply@blogger.com