tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post5220423772517712612..comments2023-06-27T10:33:35.086-04:00Comments on kirbycairo: A few thoughts on the so-called Election. . . . .Kirbycairohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-44822073590578917842011-05-06T13:23:48.351-04:002011-05-06T13:23:48.351-04:00"I favoured the Libs at the time because they..."I favoured the Libs at the time because they were by the only polls which I ever trust the election night ones the more likely ones to stop Harper"<br /><br />The polls showed the Liberals weren't the ones most likely to stop Harper on May 2.<br /><br />Besides the Liberals spent most of the last five year unconditionally supporting Harper and their promise to let the party with the most seats govern suggested they would have continued to after the election.<br /><br />"Layton capitulated to Harper's demand, to give big business, ANOTHER tax reduction."<br /><br />When did this happen? The NDP voted against all of Harper's budgets.doconnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04941265860606353518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-62612034798960792732011-05-04T13:52:03.336-04:002011-05-04T13:52:03.336-04:00Agree for the most part, but I would add a qualifi...Agree for the most part, but I would add a qualifier (aside from the one that I am not a Liberal despite the constant claims by others that I am of course), the problem with the NDP approach over the past five years has not been the failure to prop up the Liberals, but the failure to make stopping Harper their primary focus in word and deed. I never wanted the NDP to suddenly act like they were the Libs best buds, all I wanted from the NDP was to see that they placed stopping Harper the clear first priority and the seconds being defending their flanks against the Libs, but that was not what I've watched over the last five years, including this election.<br /><br />I favoured the Libs at the time because they were by the only polls which I ever trust the election night ones the more likely ones to stop Harper, as I said repeatedly over the past 5 years. I didn't do so because I was a partisan of theirs, I don't do partisanship, indeed the closest I have ever been to partisanship behaviour is in my opposition to Harper, and that only because he is so far outside our political mainstream that he is inherently corrosive and destructive not just on the policy front but on the process front as well, indeed arguably even more so on the process side of the equation, and that truly terrifies me, again as I have always said.<br /><br />Layton and the NDP enabled this outcome and own the single largest amount of responsibility for it, because by continuing Lib Tory same old story they helped enable the media to sell it too despite the clear record of actions proving otherwise, which in turn helped Harper appear more mainstream than he truly is. The Libs own their own fair share too, not least in their leadership with Ignatief and their failure to properly hold Harper to account back in 2008 immediately after that election, but they were the party that clearly placed the Harper CPC as the number one priority to defeat, unlike the Layton NDP, and that counts for something in their favour when it comes to apportioning blame/responsibility for this outcome.<br /><br />I was so worried about this because I've always understood that the single largest voting block tends to be swing centrists who pay little to no attention to political affairs outside of election cycles unless something truly unusual happens to draw their attention. That unless the NDP acted like the Harper CPC was truly different than the old PCPC these voters would tend to think there can't be that much difference, because after all wouldn't the party of progressive principles before all else first be up in arms if he really was that bad a threat? It was those people that this NDP strategy was helping the Harper CPC with, and what I feared, and it is what I've seen happen now to the detriment of this nation and the majority of its citizens.<br /><br />I also agree with you on the merger point with this additional point, as I said before I would argue that the single largest voting block in this nation is not left or right but centrist, and without a centrist party there is going to be nowhere for these votes to be represented. If a merger happened I suspect it would not be long before another centrist party was created replicating the same problem for the majority center-center-left to left side of the spectrum against a united conservative single party block vote. No, better the Libs stay in place, and you are correct that they should be considered down but far from out, as you rightly point out the NDP came from those seat numbers to where they are, and the Lib brand has the added advantage of having a long record of governing in this country and helping to shape the more progressive aspects of it as well as proving responsible government too. It is not like they were left with only 2 seats because of an infuriated electorate like the PCPC were in 1993, big difference between apathy and fury.Scotianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06284856315992405261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-46121201069315412642011-05-04T12:33:43.352-04:002011-05-04T12:33:43.352-04:00Just want to leave a note saying I agree strongly ...Just want to leave a note saying I agree strongly with all your points and to thank you for writing this.<br /><br />Canada can't afford to be a two party system. We're polarized badly enough. All of our parties offer much needed voices that are suppressed in a two party system.<br /><br />I don't see cores Libs or NDP supporters having any appetite for merging. We need a centerist party to keep the NDP left and progressive (instead of lunging for the mushy middle) and we need a progressive left party to influence the direction of the country. While I'd love us to someday be the ruling party that isn't even the main goal for me (sorry, Jack) and I would prefer for us to gain that position from the left rather than see the party abandon those ideals. If the NDP become the Liberals, why would I vote for them?<br /><br />If there is ever a merger, the two brands I see coming together are the Libs and the Greens. In my view, they both occupy the political center.wonderingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-57373858422668166602011-05-04T12:27:41.577-04:002011-05-04T12:27:41.577-04:00Just want to leave a note saying I agree strongly ...Just want to leave a note saying I agree strongly with all your points and to thank you for writing this.<br /><br />Canada can't afford to be a two party system. We're polarized badly enough. All of our parties offer much needed voices that are suppressed in a two party system.<br /><br />I don't see cores Libs or NDP supporters having any appetite for merging. We need a centerist party to keep the NDP left and progressive (instead of lunging for the mushy middle) and we need a progressive left party to influence the direction of the country. While I'd love us to someday be the ruling party that isn't even the main goal for me (sorry, Jack) and I would prefer for us to gain that position from the left rather than see the party abandon those ideals. If the NDP become the Liberals, why would I vote for them?<br /><br />If there is ever a merger, the two brands I see coming together are the Libs and the Greens. In my view, they both occupy the political center.wonderingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-57536982571029667842011-05-03T20:58:20.051-04:002011-05-03T20:58:20.051-04:00Dear Anonymous - I wasn't suggesting oblivion ...Dear Anonymous - I wasn't suggesting oblivion was on the "immediate horizon" for the US. I was suggesting an historical trend that is of their own making and one that seems to greet most colonial powers when they fail to cope with their own power decline. What is certain is that despite their status as the world's most "powerful" nation, the US is sinking very quickly into a third-world style quagmire of corruption.Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-63960067729248845932011-05-03T20:01:33.584-04:002011-05-03T20:01:33.584-04:00We know Harper gives billions of our tax dollars, ...We know Harper gives billions of our tax dollars, to the wealthiest corporations in the world. A motion was passed in the House of Commons, to do just that. He thieves from the Canadian citizens, to give to big businesses. <br /><br />Layton capitulated to Harper's demand, to give big business, ANOTHER tax reduction. This reduction will come off Canadian paychecks.<br /><br />We citizens are totally on our own. Layton will do as Harper dictates, he already has.<br /><br />Over half of Canadians, did not want Harper as P.M. How he won, has everyone suspicious. Something stinks to high Heaven. Harper is an evil, vindictive arrogant dictator. He is a war monger. <br /><br />Time will tell what will happen to Canada. My guess is, this country will be given to the giant corporations, Harper works for. <br /><br />I know we all see how the media, is a propaganda machine for the government. They are another disgrace to their professions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-49142243220982058062011-05-03T19:33:11.670-04:002011-05-03T19:33:11.670-04:00I'm not sure the US is headed towards "hi...I'm not sure the US is headed towards "historical oblivion." I mean if you cannot predict the results of an election that is right before you how can you predict an oblivion that does not seem on the immediate horizon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com