tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post6594543969679385167..comments2023-06-27T10:33:35.086-04:00Comments on kirbycairo: My Open Letter to Joyce Murray. . . . Kirbycairohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-29681858750029336292013-03-22T17:23:56.467-04:002013-03-22T17:23:56.467-04:00@Kyle H. "Who in this day and age judges a pe...@Kyle H. "Who in this day and age judges a person solely on their past or happenstance associations, and not on their *actions* since or during?<br />No one, because no one is that stupid."<br /><br />First of all, I would have to reiterate Kirby's statement that being a cabinet member is not a happenstance association. Second, politicians must account for their political choices, how else are we to trust them? It seems that Kirby is asking for explanation - that seems fair to me.<br /><br />@Chrystel Ocean<br />As you are from BC, where I have lived for many years myself, I understand that environmental issues can take precedence to all others - but a few green acts shouldn't cloud our memory of Campbell's politics. <br /><br />@Nancy Leblanc (and @bluegreenblogger)<br />It sounds to me like Kirby already has a sense of Joyce Murray's strengths; like many others, I normally steer clear (left) of the LPC, but I have registered as a supporter of the party for the specific purpose of giving my vote to her - it seems fair to me for Kirby to ask for some clarification on where she stands in regards to labour issues, for example, based on this history, and those of us who intend on voting for her deserve to hear her response.<br /><br />- V.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-77345609677164614002013-03-22T15:46:56.136-04:002013-03-22T15:46:56.136-04:00Also, the BC Liberals also had two referendums on ...Also, the BC Liberals also had two referendums on electoral reform. Although the level of support required to pass was more then what it should have been, it is still better then what most governments have done.doconnorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04941265860606353518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-14438248361587714322013-03-22T13:36:41.771-04:002013-03-22T13:36:41.771-04:00@kirbycairo: Are you from BC? I ask because I am a...@kirbycairo: Are you from BC? I ask because I am and my view of Campbell vs. Harper differs from yours. While the two men were cozy in areas, it was Campbell who introduced BC's carbon tax, which the majority of BCians, including myself, support. He was also instrumental in moving forward First Nations treaties. <br /><br />So, no, while I didn't vote for or support the BC Liberal government back when Gord Campbell led it (nor now, with Christy Clark), I think it incorrect to put Campbell further right of Harper. It's quite the reverse.Chrystal Oceanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00171002438761303983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-40565539715774181122013-03-22T13:30:48.569-04:002013-03-22T13:30:48.569-04:00Hi Kirby. I'm working for Joyce Murray's c...Hi Kirby. I'm working for Joyce Murray's campaign, so just let me get that out of the way up front. <br /><br />I would offer you the following items to think about. <br /><br />Read this column by a B.C. opinion writer who has known Joyce over the tenure of her involvement on the provincial scene and the federal scene which speaks of an evolution in learning to trust her political instincts: http://www.burnabynow.com/news/count+Joyce+Murray/7632910/story.html <br /><br />I'd also point to the fact that as Environment Minister (goes by another name in B.C.) in the Campbell government, she was recognized for her work by the Sierra Club: http://joycemurray.ca/bio<br /><br />She's a lifelong environmentalist, her business career has been devoted to building a reforestation company over 35 years. She's earned the endorsement of Mark Jaccard, noted economist and climate change advocate. Here he is in 2008 on her record in the Campbell government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zna3TTp9XmM And see: http://www.joycemurray.ca/endorsements/245-markjaccarden<br />And as you know, she earned the support of David Suzuki as well. Such statements of support don't come to those who are pretenders. <br /><br />Finally, her policies that she's put forth for consideration in this race are the best way to judge her here and now. She's steeped in public policy and pays careful attention to every word she's put forth. http://theplan.joycemurray.ca/ <br /><br />Hope that is helpful and it would be great to have your support. Every vote is going to count in this race. Nancy Leblanchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13123082232282834500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-72377700825551211592013-03-22T13:24:01.830-04:002013-03-22T13:24:01.830-04:00Lol!
This must be self-parody. I mean, who in thi...Lol!<br /><br />This must be self-parody. I mean, who in this day and age judges a person solely on their past or happenstance associations, and not on their *actions* since or during? <br /><br />No one, because no one is that stupid. And we all know you're not stupid, Kirby. So, joke's up. Come on out.Kyle H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06049961780427560881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-32645013817659884732013-03-22T12:47:50.174-04:002013-03-22T12:47:50.174-04:00Indeed, "jackass" was uncalled for. You ...Indeed, "jackass" was uncalled for. You caught me at a bad moment and for that I apologize. <br /><br />The thrust of the blog still stands. If you have made a career out of following criminals and political hacks who actively attempt to destroy human rights and democracy, then you have some explaining to do. A moment of anger, to which we are all prone to at one time or another, deserves and apology. Sitting in cabinet under a criminal who seeks to destroy human rights, democracy, and the environment, deserves a rather in-depth explanation and presumably significant contrition. <br /><br />By the way, one can be in favor of political compromise and cooperation - but dictators who buy elections, destroy democracy, and actively attempt to disenfranchise a population are not included in the compromise or cooperation. I see no moral or ethical problem here. Fascism is not included in my scope of political cooperation.<br /><br />And yes, my dear, I still believe you need lessons in logic as both you comments demonstrate. Have a nice day and smile wherever you go. Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-13116171201811192512013-03-22T12:22:22.906-04:002013-03-22T12:22:22.906-04:00Hmm, juxtapose these two excerpts from your post:
...Hmm, juxtapose these two excerpts from your post:<br /> "The concepts of political compromise and cooperation, as well as sustainability are also very important to me and you have been the only candidate for the Liberal Party leadership that has really discussed such issues." and "With the exception of the present Harper Government, I consider the Liberal Party dynasty of Campbell/Clark to be the closest thing to a criminal organization in Canadian Politics today." plus "Just as I believe that the entire Federal Leadership of the Conservative Party belongs in prison rather than the House of Commons, due to their attack on democracy, the environment, and human rights; I aslo believe that the BC Liberal Party and those who have served in it belong on trial for what constitutes various crimes against humanity." , plus of course the fact that anybody who criticises you is naturally 'a jackass'. But hey, it's your blog, you can ramble just as incosistently as you want. Just do not expect you readers to agree that you are some kind of enlightened lover of political compromise and co-operation, when you rant that Liberals and Conservatives alike all belong in prison.Bluegreenbloggerhttp://greencanada.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-74421909605743924062013-03-22T11:54:07.858-04:002013-03-22T11:54:07.858-04:00Dear Bluegreenblogger - What in my post would poss...Dear Bluegreenblogger - What in my post would possibly lead you to believe that the issues "simply do not matter" to me? <br /><br />Furthermore, I don't believe it is harsh at all. Murray was in the cabinet (IN THE CABINET!!!) of a man who is further right than Harper and yet she claims to want to replace Harper because he supposedly represents all that she opposes!!! He wasn't her neighbour, he was the man she chose to follow politically. You need to take some lessons in logic you jackass. Something rings hollow here. And not to belabour the point but her merits or demerits include who she followed politically and why. <br /><br /><br />Kirbycairohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17528654183160305877noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5611409863712113861.post-86854819514853331542013-03-22T11:20:33.304-04:002013-03-22T11:20:33.304-04:00Wow, that is harsh. By the same logic, you should ...Wow, that is harsh. By the same logic, you should not associate with any of your neighbours or friends who ever voted or supported Campbell. Actually, this is a very negative and extreme approach to politics. You are not judging Joyce based on her merits, actually, you are specifically stating that her merits are trumped by any degree of association with someone you do not like. Why do you bother to think about and write about issues if they simply do not matter to you?Bluegreenbloggerhttp://greencanada.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com